Boycott Clearwire

Wed Dec 27 09:49:37 PST 2006

At 06:05 AM 12/27/2006, Tyler wrote:
 >Spectrum licenses do enable valuable services e.g. the cell phone, without
 >the tragedy of the commons,

Tyler-- I don't trust government bureaucracies either. But I trust
government-protected corporations even less!

I agree with the idea of a free market, freedom of contract, allowing
people to require something in exchange for their labor.  That should be
allowed.  But privatization of spectrum is creating a privilege where
none existed before.  It is *not* natural law, like your possession of
your own body.

But I'll agree with privatization of spectrum, making it private
property, to be sold for money, if you let me operate the federal
reserve and banking apparatus, and decide who has money.   Let me print
$3 trillion of new money debt like the Bush administration and "loan" it
to my friends on a permanent basis, and let me pay them the interest on
the debt at the same time.   And let me and my cronies operate the whole
banking system and allocate all the "credit" for mortgages, and IPOs
like Clearwire.  When you ensure we all have fair access to money then I
will agree that the airwaves can be on a free- market basis.

Why aren't we privatizing the rest of the commons for money?  The parks,
the air, the water, the seashores, the roads and freeways?  Wouldn't
they be better managed, under a market system?

Heh.  If the roads were privatized like the internet, we couldn't even
drive across the street without a 10-minute drive downtown, just to
punch our ticket even though everybody knows its faster and cheaper
just to drive across the street.  (IMO all cableco and telco routers
should be forced to interconnect at the neighborhood level which would
be massively cheaper, and perform massively faster.  This is exactly
what would happen if the Internet were in the public sector: an
architecture based on merits, on performance instead of a
hydroelectric dam, withholding value, controlling access.)

And what if they sell all the spectrum in frequency bands and find out
that it's massively underused just like the connections mentality of
the old telco's?  Will the market be smart enough to voluntarily
switch to interference temperature?
http://www.google.com/search?q=interference+temperature&num=30

Never.  Because information is not pork bellies.  It is a chokepoint
that controls access to markets.  Immensely greater value of money
and goods and services, than the mere cost of the equipment (or spectrum).

Well, you notice, the roads are working just fine in the public sector.
Contrary to the capitalists and libertarians who predict this is
impossible without the discipline of the market.

A corporation is an extension of government, by the way. It's all
unnatural and held in place only by police power.

Tax the rich.

Todd.
retired CPA

At 06:05 AM 12/27/2006, Tyler wrote:
>Spectrum licenses do enable valuable services e.g. the cell phone, without
>the tragedy of the commons, which is happening to Wi-Fi in some places from
>interference.  (Radio spectrum, by the way, cannot be purchased, only
>leased.)   What will be interesting are if the white spaces (400-700MHz)
>become unlicensed, as Microsoft is now vying in Washington for.  You could
>have technology do the work of not interfering instead of the license
>approach - Every Xbox as a 16e mesh node at 400Mhz would work.
>
>As for clearwire - great idea, right time, I believe Craig will and SHOULD
>do very well.  He is covering the world with Wireless Ethernet, which is
>pretty cool - even if they are not yet Net Neutral.  Personally, I prefer
>muni Wi-Fi approach, but that is cuz that is where my (and many of yours)
>interests lie...
>
>tyler
>
>
>
>Tyler van Houwelingen
>Founder and CEO
>Azulstar, Inc.
>1-877-AZULSTAR (main)
>1-616-842-1104 (fax)
>www.azulstar.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at seattlewireless.net
>[mailto:talk-bounces at seattlewireless.net] On Behalf Of Jim Oksvold
>Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:28 AM
>To: SeattleWireless Talk List
>Subject: Re: Boycott Clearwire
>
> >From: "Peter Yorke" <peter at seattlewireless.net>
> > My main objection to Clearwire is their complete lack of commitment
> > servicing rural areas in Washington state while blocking competitive
> > usage of the spectrum in those area they don't/won't service.
> >
> > VOIP is such a small percentage of the total bandwidth usage per
> > consumer that blocking it is another anti-competitive abuse of it's
> > customers that will doom this venture like so many other recent McCaw
> > business.
>
>
>Which brings us to the core of WHY all this happens.
>SOMEBODY sold radio spectrum to private companies.
>
>The Socialist State represented by shortsighted white collar untechnical
>unpractical politicians are ALWAYS looking for ways to fill the insanely
>large deficit of the State.
>I am not referring to the small deficit related to "communism went bankrupt
>as expected so now we finally get around to clean up/away our former fascist
>allies we formerly sorely needed to fill the gaps in the Boulder dam against
>communism but no longer need" thingy like
>little things in Afghanistan and Irak and a few smaller places. Don't even
>think about Cuba and Venezuela as these are merely dustspecks on your
>Ray-Ban sunglasses easily rinsed away with a few drops of soap/Clearly
>Canadian and totally ignored. ( Yep - their democratically or not elected
>politicans are so clueless/talentless that they make ours look good -
>elected or not :-)
>
>No, I am referring to the giant onslaught on the economy of baby boomers
>looking for a pension.
>The huge mass of people born from 1945 to 1955.
>As the pension funds and medical funds are inadequate start looking for
>all sorts of taxes increasing to make up for lack of properly funded
>pensions.
>(Did I mention USA mortgaged to the hilltop and property prices falling ?)
>Forward financing of unavoidable future costs are now looking like an armada
>of icebergs
>heading for Manhattan at 55MPH - Unstoppable unless you want to hit them
>with nuclear bombs.
>I shall refrain from mentioning the hollowed out Central Banking System and
>the paperlike value defending it. Continentals ring a bell? (Yep - This year
>too I bought perfume for my chosen Lady from USA - Cheapest source worldwide
>was a nice Lady in Washington State of all places on Earth - USD 45 only
>with shipping to Europe included) - Previous years it used to be from a
>Highway junction across a bridge from Manhattan - Newark I think they call
>it :-)
>
>Better think twice before you buy more real estate than you strictly need.
>Real estate can hardly be moved, which makes it a suitable taxable object.
>Got rodents? - Call the exterminater.
>Got taxes? - Call The Governator - Ooops, even he can't perform miracles
>even if you get around to elect him President :-)
>
>It is the equivelant of selling your communal waterworks to a private
>company
>and expecting the company NOT to maximize the profits
>when they are selling you water. Dont expect them to be ethical about it.
>Or as I joked with a few years back:
>Would YOU sell your toilet seat in your bathroom to an american insurance
>company
>in order to lease it back for 27 years?
>
>
>Take it from me - I am a Libertarian and I have been connected to 10MB/s
>Ethernet Cat5
>with optical fiber 20 meters away since January/February 2000.
>When the Americans entered Bagdad it was the same as ALL of Irak combined.
>Makes you think for a while.
>If nothing else - The Kurdish men meeting at  a club one block away seems a
>lot happier now.
>They got at least some freedom and now they can phone home with dirt cheap
>IP-telephone :-)
>It's good to talk with your loved ones and even better when you can easily
>afford it :-)
>
>I really don't like income taxes (Libertarian remember :-) - But if push
>comes to shove I would like some of my tax-money spent in Afghanistan - They
>could really need it - Don't expect any fast return
>on investment - To me it looks like 30-40 years to get things done. (Dead
>Serious)
>Judging from the grim faces of exiled antagonistic Marxists from Irak where
>i live
>things will need 20 years to improve in Irak. Generals usually are no good
>as Finance Ministers - They are simply not educated in economy.
>And The Governator? - He is actually educated in economy, and he's got his
>own little private
>pension fund :-) - Not bad for a Nerdy Nerdanderthaler from a dark valley in
>Austria with a wifey who is a Scientologist just like myself  :-)
>
>A Happy New Year to you all. And for those who survive the Baby-Boomers it
>looks like sunshine all the way to the sunset :-) - Be sure to build your
>own private pension fund and invest a small amount of it in producers of
>wireless equipment - There is not enough Copper in Chile to do it the old
>way with POTS worldwide. Who knows - On a sunny day Hugo Chavez might make a
>decent order of wireless equipment in order to give The People of the
>Bolivarian State "Free Internet to the People" :-)
>And even if you cant get decent IP-Telephone to were you live,  you might do
>the world a service
>and hopefully increase your pension fund while you do it. There is money to
>be made :-)
>
>
>Greetings
>Jim Oksvold
>Oslo, Norway
>
>
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